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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2011/12/08/1911-census-%e2%80%93-millions-more-searchable-records/#comment-2237</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since comments are closing tomorrow I thought I would sum up.

Lots of comments - nearly all negative

Nothing posted from Ancestry since the 16th despite a promise of regular updates

my feelings

That they are a large global company who family historians pay a huge amount of money to in order to access records.

If they want to hang on to their long term subscibers in the current financial climate, they are going to have to take a long hard look at 

HOW AND WHY THEY GOT THIS ONE SO WRONG - NOT JUST THE FIASCO OF THE RECORDS THEMSELVES - BUT HOW THEY DEALT WITH OR RATHER FAILED TO DEAL WITH THE COMMENTS LEFT BY THE 80 PEOPLE ABOVE WHO WERE MAD ENOUGH TO POST A COMMENT - THERE MUST BE THOUSANDS MORE WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY.

Thats it - I feel better now - Merry Christmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since comments are closing tomorrow I thought I would sum up.</p>
<p>Lots of comments &#8211; nearly all negative</p>
<p>Nothing posted from Ancestry since the 16th despite a promise of regular updates</p>
<p>my feelings</p>
<p>That they are a large global company who family historians pay a huge amount of money to in order to access records.</p>
<p>If they want to hang on to their long term subscibers in the current financial climate, they are going to have to take a long hard look at </p>
<p>HOW AND WHY THEY GOT THIS ONE SO WRONG &#8211; NOT JUST THE FIASCO OF THE RECORDS THEMSELVES &#8211; BUT HOW THEY DEALT WITH OR RATHER FAILED TO DEAL WITH THE COMMENTS LEFT BY THE 80 PEOPLE ABOVE WHO WERE MAD ENOUGH TO POST A COMMENT &#8211; THERE MUST BE THOUSANDS MORE WHO FEEL THE SAME WAY.</p>
<p>Thats it &#8211; I feel better now &#8211; Merry Christmas</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The list just gets worse:-

Rawalpindi (down as Rawal Pindi)is not in Pakistan in 1911, Pakistan didn&#039;t exist until 1947, as most people know;
Wexford is listed as England and not Ireland.
Aust is also the transcription for Austria (ie the Austrian Empire);
Thun transcribed for Lithuania, there is a Thun in Switzerland;
Russia not transcribed;
One person listed as two seperate people although there are brackets showing it was one person.

The list is a joke with so many variations that you could write a book of possible spellings and almost totally unuseable and transcribers should not have to such a situation, it should not be up to subscribers to alter the transcriptions, it should have been in a fit state. The transcriptions are just bad transcribing. If I was the CEO I would be asking who put this awful list out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The list just gets worse:-</p>
<p>Rawalpindi (down as Rawal Pindi)is not in Pakistan in 1911, Pakistan didn&#8217;t exist until 1947, as most people know;<br />
Wexford is listed as England and not Ireland.<br />
Aust is also the transcription for Austria (ie the Austrian Empire);<br />
Thun transcribed for Lithuania, there is a Thun in Switzerland;<br />
Russia not transcribed;<br />
One person listed as two seperate people although there are brackets showing it was one person.</p>
<p>The list is a joke with so many variations that you could write a book of possible spellings and almost totally unuseable and transcribers should not have to such a situation, it should not be up to subscribers to alter the transcriptions, it should have been in a fit state. The transcriptions are just bad transcribing. If I was the CEO I would be asking who put this awful list out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2011/12/08/1911-census-%e2%80%93-millions-more-searchable-records/#comment-2235</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found that the transcribed birthplaces for people staying in hotels in central London are a quagmire of error after error after error, on almost every line of each page. 

Mercifully, though, the occupations are almost always correctly transcribed -- unlike the nonsensical gibberish in occupations found in the 1911 Channel Islands or Wales censuses. 

Many of these London hotels have an international clientele -- and sometimes staff -- so there are many different birthplaces listed.  

However, countries and other locations which are clearly readable are very often left completely blank, time after time -- eg. Holland, The Netherlands, USA, United States, Japan, Turkey, Chile, Cuba, Luxembourg, California, Amsterdam, At sea, etc. 

But, for some reason, countries such as Switzerland, Germany and France are almost always transcribed  and correctly too. Uruguay, however, is mistranscribed as Hungary.

It&#039;s also typical that many entries are only partially transcribed, eg. entries saying London but also including a specific London place name such as Whitechapel, Westminster, Bow, Hammersmith, Bermondsey, Lambeth, Fulham, etc. say only London (in the United Kingdom!)

Other examples of this type are below (showing what actual entry says, followed by what has been transcribed) -- 
Burlington, Ont., Canada &gt; Canada
Chicago, America &gt; United States

Then there is the supposed computer glitch which chops up words, again resulting in only a partial transcription. This has already been mentioned by others in examples such as Ham (for Clapham, Peckham, etc) or Wall for Cornwall. 

Here are more examples, again showing the actual entry first, followed by what the transcription says --

New Cross, London &gt; Ross
Overstrand, Norfolk &gt; Rand, Norfolk
Pettistree, Suffolk &gt; Street, Suffolk
Copenhagen &gt; Hagen
Brockley, Kent &gt; Rock, Kent
Singapore &gt; Ore
Gibraltar &gt; Alt
Croydon, Surrey &gt; Roydon, Surrey
Strand, London &gt; Rand
Charing Cross, London &gt; Ross
Birmingham, Warwickshire &gt; Wick, Warwick
Birkenhead, Cheshire &gt; Esh, Cheshire
Crewe, Cheshire &gt; Rewe, Cheshire
Kirkcaldy &gt; Caldy
Wallingford &gt; Wall
Hastings &gt; Asti
Buenos Ayres &gt; Ayr, Scotland
Australia &gt; Aust (as the birth city)
Antrim, Ireland &gt; Trim, Antrim, Ireland
Christchurch, New Zealand &gt; Church, New Zealand
Ballymena, Ireland &gt; Bally, Ireland
Rhode Island, USA &gt; Rho
Somerville, Massachusetts, USA &gt; Wil

Also, locations ending in &quot;chester&quot; -- such as Manchester or Colchester -- are repeatedly transcribed with Chester in the birth county field.

Entries which say New York, USA or New York City are repeatedly mistranscribed as York, York, England.

Entries which say Glasgow, Lanarkshire are transcribed as Glasgow, Scotland with Glasgow as the birth county.

Entries which list the birthplace as New South Wales (then say Australian in the following field) are transcribed as --
New, New South Wales (with New in the birth city field and New South Wales as birth country)

In many cases, absolutely nothing is transcribed in the birthplace field even though there is a birthplace plainly there in the original entry. And entries which include specific locations in English counties are transcribed as follows --
Bristol, Gloucestershire &gt; Gloucester, Gloucester
Bradford, Yorkshire &gt; York, York
Grimsby, Lincs &gt; Lincoln, Lincoln

And lastly, Jack Straws Castle Hotel in Hampstead is listed in the transcription as Lack Trans Castle Hotel.

I personally view this shoddy work as insulting and disrespectful to Ancestry&#039;s paying subscribers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that the transcribed birthplaces for people staying in hotels in central London are a quagmire of error after error after error, on almost every line of each page. </p>
<p>Mercifully, though, the occupations are almost always correctly transcribed &#8212; unlike the nonsensical gibberish in occupations found in the 1911 Channel Islands or Wales censuses. </p>
<p>Many of these London hotels have an international clientele &#8212; and sometimes staff &#8212; so there are many different birthplaces listed.  </p>
<p>However, countries and other locations which are clearly readable are very often left completely blank, time after time &#8212; eg. Holland, The Netherlands, USA, United States, Japan, Turkey, Chile, Cuba, Luxembourg, California, Amsterdam, At sea, etc. </p>
<p>But, for some reason, countries such as Switzerland, Germany and France are almost always transcribed  and correctly too. Uruguay, however, is mistranscribed as Hungary.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also typical that many entries are only partially transcribed, eg. entries saying London but also including a specific London place name such as Whitechapel, Westminster, Bow, Hammersmith, Bermondsey, Lambeth, Fulham, etc. say only London (in the United Kingdom!)</p>
<p>Other examples of this type are below (showing what actual entry says, followed by what has been transcribed) &#8212;<br />
Burlington, Ont., Canada &gt; Canada<br />
Chicago, America &gt; United States</p>
<p>Then there is the supposed computer glitch which chops up words, again resulting in only a partial transcription. This has already been mentioned by others in examples such as Ham (for Clapham, Peckham, etc) or Wall for Cornwall. </p>
<p>Here are more examples, again showing the actual entry first, followed by what the transcription says &#8211;</p>
<p>New Cross, London &gt; Ross<br />
Overstrand, Norfolk &gt; Rand, Norfolk<br />
Pettistree, Suffolk &gt; Street, Suffolk<br />
Copenhagen &gt; Hagen<br />
Brockley, Kent &gt; Rock, Kent<br />
Singapore &gt; Ore<br />
Gibraltar &gt; Alt<br />
Croydon, Surrey &gt; Roydon, Surrey<br />
Strand, London &gt; Rand<br />
Charing Cross, London &gt; Ross<br />
Birmingham, Warwickshire &gt; Wick, Warwick<br />
Birkenhead, Cheshire &gt; Esh, Cheshire<br />
Crewe, Cheshire &gt; Rewe, Cheshire<br />
Kirkcaldy &gt; Caldy<br />
Wallingford &gt; Wall<br />
Hastings &gt; Asti<br />
Buenos Ayres &gt; Ayr, Scotland<br />
Australia &gt; Aust (as the birth city)<br />
Antrim, Ireland &gt; Trim, Antrim, Ireland<br />
Christchurch, New Zealand &gt; Church, New Zealand<br />
Ballymena, Ireland &gt; Bally, Ireland<br />
Rhode Island, USA &gt; Rho<br />
Somerville, Massachusetts, USA &gt; Wil</p>
<p>Also, locations ending in &#8220;chester&#8221; &#8212; such as Manchester or Colchester &#8212; are repeatedly transcribed with Chester in the birth county field.</p>
<p>Entries which say New York, USA or New York City are repeatedly mistranscribed as York, York, England.</p>
<p>Entries which say Glasgow, Lanarkshire are transcribed as Glasgow, Scotland with Glasgow as the birth county.</p>
<p>Entries which list the birthplace as New South Wales (then say Australian in the following field) are transcribed as &#8211;<br />
New, New South Wales (with New in the birth city field and New South Wales as birth country)</p>
<p>In many cases, absolutely nothing is transcribed in the birthplace field even though there is a birthplace plainly there in the original entry. And entries which include specific locations in English counties are transcribed as follows &#8211;<br />
Bristol, Gloucestershire &gt; Gloucester, Gloucester<br />
Bradford, Yorkshire &gt; York, York<br />
Grimsby, Lincs &gt; Lincoln, Lincoln</p>
<p>And lastly, Jack Straws Castle Hotel in Hampstead is listed in the transcription as Lack Trans Castle Hotel.</p>
<p>I personally view this shoddy work as insulting and disrespectful to Ancestry&#8217;s paying subscribers.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2011/12/08/1911-census-%e2%80%93-millions-more-searchable-records/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be surprised if the US census was any better. What is not acceptable is where the image says people are dead that they are indexed under the surname Dead and not their surname, including one person transcribed as Born Dead. In addition people who will be transcribed twice because they were not in the house on census night. Other examples are people born on Isle of M (and listed in the next entry as the Island of Mauritius) whereas the Isle of Man is abbreviated as IOM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be surprised if the US census was any better. What is not acceptable is where the image says people are dead that they are indexed under the surname Dead and not their surname, including one person transcribed as Born Dead. In addition people who will be transcribed twice because they were not in the house on census night. Other examples are people born on Isle of M (and listed in the next entry as the Island of Mauritius) whereas the Isle of Man is abbreviated as IOM.</p>
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		<title>By: Chagoi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chagoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is somewhat disingenuous to suggest that the County of Essex has been even partially transcribed.

Precisely FOUR people from one family in Essex have been indexed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is somewhat disingenuous to suggest that the County of Essex has been even partially transcribed.</p>
<p>Precisely FOUR people from one family in Essex have been indexed.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2011/12/08/1911-census-%e2%80%93-millions-more-searchable-records/#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found my great grandmother in the 1911 census, but no thanks to the Ancestry transcription which was obviously done by someone without any knowledge of Britain. Her place of birth on the form says IOW Ryde, which has been transcribed as LDW Ryde. 

If you did not know that Ryde was on the Isle of Wight (IOW), 10 seconds on Google would have shown that LDW was rubbish. 

Add to that the mistranscribed middle name (Haward instead of Howard) and the fact that she had moved from the IoW to Coventry leaves me feeling very lucky to have found her.

Ancestry never wanted to bother with this Census in the first place, I sure everyone remembers the comments when they pulled out of the bidding for the early release. Now we have had this reinforced by the obvious use of the &#039;B&#039; team on the transcription. Can you imagine the row if this was a US Census!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found my great grandmother in the 1911 census, but no thanks to the Ancestry transcription which was obviously done by someone without any knowledge of Britain. Her place of birth on the form says IOW Ryde, which has been transcribed as LDW Ryde. </p>
<p>If you did not know that Ryde was on the Isle of Wight (IOW), 10 seconds on Google would have shown that LDW was rubbish. </p>
<p>Add to that the mistranscribed middle name (Haward instead of Howard) and the fact that she had moved from the IoW to Coventry leaves me feeling very lucky to have found her.</p>
<p>Ancestry never wanted to bother with this Census in the first place, I sure everyone remembers the comments when they pulled out of the bidding for the early release. Now we have had this reinforced by the obvious use of the &#8216;B&#8217; team on the transcription. Can you imagine the row if this was a US Census!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cam across an interesting case of Evelyn Lawrence Dunlop (private secretary) aged 26 5/12 years and her sister Olive Jocelyn Dunlop (historical author and Secretary to the Women&#039;s Suffrage Society) aged 27 8/12 years. Apart from the places of birth both being very wrongly trasncribed they have been transcribed as both being born in 1911. This is not the only case of head of households having children whilst as head they were all born in 1911, quite amazing back in Edwardian days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cam across an interesting case of Evelyn Lawrence Dunlop (private secretary) aged 26 5/12 years and her sister Olive Jocelyn Dunlop (historical author and Secretary to the Women&#8217;s Suffrage Society) aged 27 8/12 years. Apart from the places of birth both being very wrongly trasncribed they have been transcribed as both being born in 1911. This is not the only case of head of households having children whilst as head they were all born in 1911, quite amazing back in Edwardian days.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My congratulations must go out to George Wilfred Robertshaw who has won the contest for the oldest person listed on the 1911 census so far, at the grand old age of 121, narrowly piping Walter Fish who came in at 120  Amazingly, both these individuals are around 80 years older than their parents.  

I guess that there must have been something in the air in those days, because there&#039;s a whole slew of centenarians listed that are waaaaaaay older than their parents on this census.  Truly amazing!!!!!!

I hope I&#039;m that lucky to show up like that in a hundred years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My congratulations must go out to George Wilfred Robertshaw who has won the contest for the oldest person listed on the 1911 census so far, at the grand old age of 121, narrowly piping Walter Fish who came in at 120  Amazingly, both these individuals are around 80 years older than their parents.  </p>
<p>I guess that there must have been something in the air in those days, because there&#8217;s a whole slew of centenarians listed that are waaaaaaay older than their parents on this census.  Truly amazing!!!!!!</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m that lucky to show up like that in a hundred years or so.</p>
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		<title>By: BroMaelor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2011/12/08/1911-census-%e2%80%93-millions-more-searchable-records/#comment-2209</link>
		<dc:creator>BroMaelor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy, the point you make is very important:

&quot;... when I’ve submitted a correction FindMyPast has fixed it within a day or two&quot;.

Of course when we make corrections to blatant errors on Ancestry they are NEVER &quot;fixed&quot;, they are merely added as &quot;alternatives&quot;. Ancestry can never admit they are wrong!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy, the point you make is very important:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; when I’ve submitted a correction FindMyPast has fixed it within a day or two&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course when we make corrections to blatant errors on Ancestry they are NEVER &#8220;fixed&#8221;, they are merely added as &#8220;alternatives&#8221;. Ancestry can never admit they are wrong!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 00:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is beyond comprehension how Ladywood in Birmingham is described as having a district called Lady Woon. It means the whole of that area is wrong. Each area has a page that states what the registration district is and Lady Woon is more apt for a film than a census. There are so may versions of transcribing the Scottish county of Moray (otherwise known as Morayshire)and Belgium is not in India. What is even more odd is that given ancestry is an American company that even people from the USA aren&#039;t transcribed as coming from the USA and left blank.

In my view common sense should have occcured, eg people aged over 100 attending school and being about 50 years older than their mother and people being born in the 1790s, there are people who are over 100 years old but 120 years old, I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is beyond comprehension how Ladywood in Birmingham is described as having a district called Lady Woon. It means the whole of that area is wrong. Each area has a page that states what the registration district is and Lady Woon is more apt for a film than a census. There are so may versions of transcribing the Scottish county of Moray (otherwise known as Morayshire)and Belgium is not in India. What is even more odd is that given ancestry is an American company that even people from the USA aren&#8217;t transcribed as coming from the USA and left blank.</p>
<p>In my view common sense should have occcured, eg people aged over 100 attending school and being about 50 years older than their mother and people being born in the 1790s, there are people who are over 100 years old but 120 years old, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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