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		<title>By: Roy Stockdill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Stockdill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next week&#039;s programme features the TV gardener/ presenter Monty Don. I read an advance feature about it in the Daily Mail&#039;s Weekend magazine last Saturday. Apparently, he was amazed to discover that he is distantly related to his wife&#039;s first husband.

Today I was approached by BBC Three Counties Radio in Luton (I live in Watford) and asked if I would talk about it on air, which I did. I said I didn&#039;t think it was particularly unusual at all, since if we could all go back to the Middle Ages and before that to the Norman Conquest we woud find - disregarding immigrants - that all of us are distantly related to everybody else in some way or other.

There is a well-known mathematical paradox, which goes as follows: if you double the number of ancestors in every generation, theoretically by the time you get back to William the Conqueror in around 30 generations you will find we all have hundreds of millions ancestors. Do the maths, folks! However, in 1086 when William I&#039;s Domesday Book was published, the entire population of Britain was estimated at no more than 2 million. Doesn&#039;t work, does it?

So what&#039;s the answer? It lies in the fact that there were many, many thousands of cousin marriages and the same ancestors appear over and over again in countless family trees. Look at the websites on descendants of William the Conqueror sometime. Today there are estimated to be anything from 3 to 5 million of them living and many, including famous ones, can be found on websites.

I have a friend and genealogist colleague who descends from &quot;William the Bastard&quot; in more than 1600 different lines. Worth thinking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next week&#8217;s programme features the TV gardener/ presenter Monty Don. I read an advance feature about it in the Daily Mail&#8217;s Weekend magazine last Saturday. Apparently, he was amazed to discover that he is distantly related to his wife&#8217;s first husband.</p>
<p>Today I was approached by BBC Three Counties Radio in Luton (I live in Watford) and asked if I would talk about it on air, which I did. I said I didn&#8217;t think it was particularly unusual at all, since if we could all go back to the Middle Ages and before that to the Norman Conquest we woud find &#8211; disregarding immigrants &#8211; that all of us are distantly related to everybody else in some way or other.</p>
<p>There is a well-known mathematical paradox, which goes as follows: if you double the number of ancestors in every generation, theoretically by the time you get back to William the Conqueror in around 30 generations you will find we all have hundreds of millions ancestors. Do the maths, folks! However, in 1086 when William I&#8217;s Domesday Book was published, the entire population of Britain was estimated at no more than 2 million. Doesn&#8217;t work, does it?</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the answer? It lies in the fact that there were many, many thousands of cousin marriages and the same ancestors appear over and over again in countless family trees. Look at the websites on descendants of William the Conqueror sometime. Today there are estimated to be anything from 3 to 5 million of them living and many, including famous ones, can be found on websites.</p>
<p>I have a friend and genealogist colleague who descends from &#8220;William the Bastard&#8221; in more than 1600 different lines. Worth thinking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Stockdill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Stockdill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Chris, I do agree. It was certainly one of the better episodes and easily the best of this current series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Chris, I do agree. It was certainly one of the better episodes and easily the best of this current series.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Paton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Paton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,

On the whole I agree. Except tonight they threw us a curve ball with a brilliant programme about Dervla Kirwin, which I thought was going to be about Michael Collins, and instead ended up as... well something rather special really! One of the best ever episodes. That&#039;s how they should be done - good stories, well told. It&#039;s all you can ask for really!

Chris</description>
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<p>On the whole I agree. Except tonight they threw us a curve ball with a brilliant programme about Dervla Kirwin, which I thought was going to be about Michael Collins, and instead ended up as&#8230; well something rather special really! One of the best ever episodes. That&#8217;s how they should be done &#8211; good stories, well told. It&#8217;s all you can ask for really!</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Marjayhan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjayhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They probably had all the work done for him already, the genealagist experts, and just for the show, had him looking for the info themselves.  i suspect a lot of cutting and editing went into it. Kim Katrall didn&#039;t search for her ancestors in her one she just searched for her missing grandfather and to find out where he went and what became of him, to give her family the answers they&#039;d been waiting 72 years to hear. so i guess the celebs in each one, are each looking for something different. Some trace their ancestors as far back as it goes (Brooke Shields), then Bruce Forsyth only wanted to see if there was bigamy commited in his family, and Susan Sarandon was searching for her grandmother who abandoned her mother. I guess they are each looking for particular things/people in their family, and so, other people in their family are not searched/or focused on enough. all i know is i hope the other episodes are better than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They probably had all the work done for him already, the genealagist experts, and just for the show, had him looking for the info themselves.  i suspect a lot of cutting and editing went into it. Kim Katrall didn&#8217;t search for her ancestors in her one she just searched for her missing grandfather and to find out where he went and what became of him, to give her family the answers they&#8217;d been waiting 72 years to hear. so i guess the celebs in each one, are each looking for something different. Some trace their ancestors as far back as it goes (Brooke Shields), then Bruce Forsyth only wanted to see if there was bigamy commited in his family, and Susan Sarandon was searching for her grandmother who abandoned her mother. I guess they are each looking for particular things/people in their family, and so, other people in their family are not searched/or focused on enough. all i know is i hope the other episodes are better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Cole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy finding out about someone&#039;s past so I do like this programme. However as all genealogists know-  information doesn&#039;t just drop into your lap as easily as this programme portrays and it gives a false idealism. It has definately taken me more than a few weeks to uncover my ancestors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy finding out about someone&#8217;s past so I do like this programme. However as all genealogists know-  information doesn&#8217;t just drop into your lap as easily as this programme portrays and it gives a false idealism. It has definately taken me more than a few weeks to uncover my ancestors!</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Stockdill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Stockdill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone agree with me that, on the evidence of the first two programmes in this, the latest series, it appears to be running out of steam? I get the feeling that the makers, in a thirst for viewing ratings, have &quot;dumbed down&quot; the whole thing and are seeking &quot;sensational&quot; red-top tabloid-type stories. And, as a retired Fleet Street journalist myself, I know what I am talking about - it&#039;s becoming more like The Sun!

The programme on Bruce Forsyth concentrated entirely on just one aspect, his alleged &quot;bigamous&quot; great-grandfather, who turned out not to be a bigamist - at least, not in the legal sense of the word, anyway - since they never found a marriage to the woman he left his wife for. I concede they had a problem in that if there was, in fact, a marriage in America, then every state would have to be checked, since the US has no system of federal records covering the whole country. However, as far as I recall, they only checked in New York State and Atlanta, Georgia.

Equally, with Rupert Everett there was a concentration on a &quot;dodgy&quot; ancestor who kept disappearing and had several wives/women. The research shown was poor, as some commentators here seem to think. At one point Everett was seen presented with half a dozen census possibles in his search for the elusive Georgina and just went straight to the first one, not even bothering to look at the others. Very sloppy, I thought!

No doubt the producers will argue that it&#039;s entertainment and not real family history. However, I fear the series will bring into genealogy a host of amateur beginners who have no clue as to what they are doing and, consequently, they will end up proliferating rubbish all over the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone agree with me that, on the evidence of the first two programmes in this, the latest series, it appears to be running out of steam? I get the feeling that the makers, in a thirst for viewing ratings, have &#8220;dumbed down&#8221; the whole thing and are seeking &#8220;sensational&#8221; red-top tabloid-type stories. And, as a retired Fleet Street journalist myself, I know what I am talking about &#8211; it&#8217;s becoming more like The Sun!</p>
<p>The programme on Bruce Forsyth concentrated entirely on just one aspect, his alleged &#8220;bigamous&#8221; great-grandfather, who turned out not to be a bigamist &#8211; at least, not in the legal sense of the word, anyway &#8211; since they never found a marriage to the woman he left his wife for. I concede they had a problem in that if there was, in fact, a marriage in America, then every state would have to be checked, since the US has no system of federal records covering the whole country. However, as far as I recall, they only checked in New York State and Atlanta, Georgia.</p>
<p>Equally, with Rupert Everett there was a concentration on a &#8220;dodgy&#8221; ancestor who kept disappearing and had several wives/women. The research shown was poor, as some commentators here seem to think. At one point Everett was seen presented with half a dozen census possibles in his search for the elusive Georgina and just went straight to the first one, not even bothering to look at the others. Very sloppy, I thought!</p>
<p>No doubt the producers will argue that it&#8217;s entertainment and not real family history. However, I fear the series will bring into genealogy a host of amateur beginners who have no clue as to what they are doing and, consequently, they will end up proliferating rubbish all over the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Vince</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were we all watching the same programme?  Far from coming across as a snob, Rupert Everett came across as an inveterate,rather thoughtless inverted snob. The people he spent the programme rubbishing were his father for being a thoroughly &#039;proper&#039; man, and even his grandfather for &#039;abandoning&#039; his family by not taking them to Africa with him.  No attempt to understand the dynamics of their situation at all.

Far from dismissing his seafaring great-grandfather he seemed to relish finding a link to another rebel like himself.  Only of course this kind of inverted snobbery doesn&#039;t make one a rebel at all, just another kind of self-congratulating tribal personality.

What the programme did fail to research was the fate of the family of his bankrupt stockbrocking gt gt grandfather - I believe I found his widowed Gt Gt Grandmother Jemima Agnes Everett living in one of the East End of London&#039;s Common Lodging Houses working as a Laundress in 1881, hiding by using her middle name, with her children scattered across various charity schools.  Everett was so fixated on seeing his great grandfather as a rebel stomping out on a hated, oppressive, snobbish family that he totally missed the real human tragedy at the heart of his family&#039;s history.

Reminds me of the programme about Sue Townsend in the ?first series where she eulogised her inverted snob grandfather at the expense of his &#039;snobbish&#039; parents, only for the programme to reveal the bitter poverty and tragedy which lay in her great grandfather&#039;s earlier life.  Didn&#039;t seem to change her &#039;anti-snob&#039; opinions, at least not on air.  Too much of a challenge for the &#039;right-thinking&#039; thespian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were we all watching the same programme?  Far from coming across as a snob, Rupert Everett came across as an inveterate,rather thoughtless inverted snob. The people he spent the programme rubbishing were his father for being a thoroughly &#8216;proper&#8217; man, and even his grandfather for &#8216;abandoning&#8217; his family by not taking them to Africa with him.  No attempt to understand the dynamics of their situation at all.</p>
<p>Far from dismissing his seafaring great-grandfather he seemed to relish finding a link to another rebel like himself.  Only of course this kind of inverted snobbery doesn&#8217;t make one a rebel at all, just another kind of self-congratulating tribal personality.</p>
<p>What the programme did fail to research was the fate of the family of his bankrupt stockbrocking gt gt grandfather &#8211; I believe I found his widowed Gt Gt Grandmother Jemima Agnes Everett living in one of the East End of London&#8217;s Common Lodging Houses working as a Laundress in 1881, hiding by using her middle name, with her children scattered across various charity schools.  Everett was so fixated on seeing his great grandfather as a rebel stomping out on a hated, oppressive, snobbish family that he totally missed the real human tragedy at the heart of his family&#8217;s history.</p>
<p>Reminds me of the programme about Sue Townsend in the ?first series where she eulogised her inverted snob grandfather at the expense of his &#8216;snobbish&#8217; parents, only for the programme to reveal the bitter poverty and tragedy which lay in her great grandfather&#8217;s earlier life.  Didn&#8217;t seem to change her &#8216;anti-snob&#8217; opinions, at least not on air.  Too much of a challenge for the &#8216;right-thinking&#8217; thespian.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjayhan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjayhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t think Stephen Fry sounded horrified at all, a little surprised maybe, but that&#039;s only because he had no idea what he did for a living. I liked his episode. and i couldnt believe that Julian Clary&#039;s mum was a bit of a bigot, not wanting to find any foreigners in her blood. i can&#039;t believe she said that on tv!! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t think Stephen Fry sounded horrified at all, a little surprised maybe, but that&#8217;s only because he had no idea what he did for a living. I liked his episode. and i couldnt believe that Julian Clary&#8217;s mum was a bit of a bigot, not wanting to find any foreigners in her blood. i can&#8217;t believe she said that on tv!! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Noble</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Rupert Everett was no different to all the other middle class celebrities who have had their trees researched by WDYTYA! Most of them are horrified when they find poor relations! Stephen Fry (who I admire very much)horrified to find out his fathers ancestor was a humble hairdresser in South London, Julian Clarey&#039;s mother, refusing to believe that her ancestors might have been poor and uneducated. The only one who seemed in any way proud of having working class ancestry was Barbara Windsor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Rupert Everett was no different to all the other middle class celebrities who have had their trees researched by WDYTYA! Most of them are horrified when they find poor relations! Stephen Fry (who I admire very much)horrified to find out his fathers ancestor was a humble hairdresser in South London, Julian Clarey&#8217;s mother, refusing to believe that her ancestors might have been poor and uneducated. The only one who seemed in any way proud of having working class ancestry was Barbara Windsor.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjayhan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/uk/2010/07/27/wdytya-rupert/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>Marjayhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>me too, i thought it wasn&#039;t the best episode i&#039;ve seen. I was pretty bored, i&#039;m more interested in a good story behind it all. My fave ones so far have been Lisa Kudrow, Kim Katrall, Susan Sarandon, Jerry Springer, Stephen Fry and even Bruce Forsyth&#039;s one. i like the mystery of it all. And i love when celebs try their best to find living decendents and have a happy reunion kinda thing. I did thing Rupert came across very snobbish indeed, he didn&#039;t want to find this kind of stuff certainly. He should be happy he&#039;s had this opportunity to trace his ancestors for free. god, i would love to have my search for my ancestors made into a show like that, and the more intrigue and soap opera in it the better lol! i certainly wouldn&#039;t be thinking i&#039;m better than they were or expecting, or care that they were some well-to-do family. I would just be content enough to know where i came from and what way of life my family from generations had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me too, i thought it wasn&#8217;t the best episode i&#8217;ve seen. I was pretty bored, i&#8217;m more interested in a good story behind it all. My fave ones so far have been Lisa Kudrow, Kim Katrall, Susan Sarandon, Jerry Springer, Stephen Fry and even Bruce Forsyth&#8217;s one. i like the mystery of it all. And i love when celebs try their best to find living decendents and have a happy reunion kinda thing. I did thing Rupert came across very snobbish indeed, he didn&#8217;t want to find this kind of stuff certainly. He should be happy he&#8217;s had this opportunity to trace his ancestors for free. god, i would love to have my search for my ancestors made into a show like that, and the more intrigue and soap opera in it the better lol! i certainly wouldn&#8217;t be thinking i&#8217;m better than they were or expecting, or care that they were some well-to-do family. I would just be content enough to know where i came from and what way of life my family from generations had.</p>
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