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		<title>By: JDTreelines</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49510</link>
		<dc:creator>JDTreelines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It IS possible to generate a list of disconnected induviduals in FTM 2010. 

Create a Source called &quot;DISCONNECTED INDIVIDUALS&quot; and then link this as a source to every such individual&#039;s name. Then if you select this source in the &quot;Sources&quot; view, the &quot;Links&quot; tab displays a clickable list of all disconnected records.

I go one step further and associate a custom fact called &quot;Reason Disconnected&quot; with each such record where I give brief details of the item&#039;s relevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It IS possible to generate a list of disconnected induviduals in FTM 2010. </p>
<p>Create a Source called &#8220;DISCONNECTED INDIVIDUALS&#8221; and then link this as a source to every such individual&#8217;s name. Then if you select this source in the &#8220;Sources&#8221; view, the &#8220;Links&#8221; tab displays a clickable list of all disconnected records.</p>
<p>I go one step further and associate a custom fact called &#8220;Reason Disconnected&#8221; with each such record where I give brief details of the item&#8217;s relevance.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49444</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think FTM needs three things to sort this out properly:

1.  A filter on the index to show only unrelated persons, to make it easy to find them again.
2.  A new report that shows all unrelated persons and their facts and notes.
3.  A way of linking an unrelated person to someone in your tree.  When you display the person in the tree there would be a hyperlink to the unrelated person and a category (&#039;witness&#039;, &#039;possible brother&#039; etc.)

The first two would be very easy to do as they are just additions to mechanisms that already exist.  The third would require work as it would need an extra link in the database.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think FTM needs three things to sort this out properly:</p>
<p>1.  A filter on the index to show only unrelated persons, to make it easy to find them again.<br />
2.  A new report that shows all unrelated persons and their facts and notes.<br />
3.  A way of linking an unrelated person to someone in your tree.  When you display the person in the tree there would be a hyperlink to the unrelated person and a category (&#8216;witness&#8217;, &#8216;possible brother&#8217; etc.)</p>
<p>The first two would be very easy to do as they are just additions to mechanisms that already exist.  The third would require work as it would need an extra link in the database.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol A. H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49443</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol A. H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 worshacf:

Sorry my idea didn’t help you.  I agree, Ellen Anderson is a very common name and with 25 records in your shoebox, it would seem you would have some member connects.  I only know that occasionally I have had these “connects” and couldn’t figure why I was getting them until I checked my shoebox.  I can’t explain the Ancestry inconsistencies.  I have read in the blogs of people having all kinds of weird problems that I don’t have and can’t explain that either.  Customer support does their best but even they don’t always have the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 worshacf:</p>
<p>Sorry my idea didn’t help you.  I agree, Ellen Anderson is a very common name and with 25 records in your shoebox, it would seem you would have some member connects.  I only know that occasionally I have had these “connects” and couldn’t figure why I was getting them until I checked my shoebox.  I can’t explain the Ancestry inconsistencies.  I have read in the blogs of people having all kinds of weird problems that I don’t have and can’t explain that either.  Customer support does their best but even they don’t always have the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Roberts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49437</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol (#13),

You&#039;re welcome! Glad I could help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol (#13),</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome! Glad I could help.</p>
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		<title>By: Aylarja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49435</link>
		<dc:creator>Aylarja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Hatchett (#19) and Jan Murphy (#20),

I do appreciate your recommendations, and will likely download and investigate both The Master Genealogist and Family Historian when I have more time to do so.

I would like to bring this comment back around to the original blog post, which essentially recognized a gap or a weakness in Family Tree Maker (although Tana didn&#039;t specifically use those terms), and asked how users work around that gap. As a current FTM user who likes many aspects of the program, I wish that Tana or someone from Ancestry.com would at least consider this response to her question: bridge the gap programmatically in FTM itself. Add the ability to create unspecified relationships to FTM so that researchers can maintain those connections of evidence for future investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Hatchett (#19) and Jan Murphy (#20),</p>
<p>I do appreciate your recommendations, and will likely download and investigate both The Master Genealogist and Family Historian when I have more time to do so.</p>
<p>I would like to bring this comment back around to the original blog post, which essentially recognized a gap or a weakness in Family Tree Maker (although Tana didn&#8217;t specifically use those terms), and asked how users work around that gap. As a current FTM user who likes many aspects of the program, I wish that Tana or someone from Ancestry.com would at least consider this response to her question: bridge the gap programmatically in FTM itself. Add the ability to create unspecified relationships to FTM so that researchers can maintain those connections of evidence for future investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Molitor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49433</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Molitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a simple solution that has works for me. I make several folders of POSSIBLE family links. First folder for the particular FAMILIY NAME, with sub folders for obituaries, census, or documenents and pictures. I  like to make folders in My pictures and keep everything in JPG. Many times I have gone back to these folders and found one that was a link to my family. I can print or copy and paste the info with ease in many cases or just pick out the information you need. I can delete those that I find are absolutely not related or save them. When I search the Obituaries I find my greatest connections later so I save all of those with my snip it tool.  Works Great.I keep My Pictures folder minimized to I can look as I search. It also keeps me from duplicating a Possible Relative. Why do I choose Jpg and My Pictures? Because I can double click to enlarge for reading and print if I want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a simple solution that has works for me. I make several folders of POSSIBLE family links. First folder for the particular FAMILIY NAME, with sub folders for obituaries, census, or documenents and pictures. I  like to make folders in My pictures and keep everything in JPG. Many times I have gone back to these folders and found one that was a link to my family. I can print or copy and paste the info with ease in many cases or just pick out the information you need. I can delete those that I find are absolutely not related or save them. When I search the Obituaries I find my greatest connections later so I save all of those with my snip it tool.  Works Great.I keep My Pictures folder minimized to I can look as I search. It also keeps me from duplicating a Possible Relative. Why do I choose Jpg and My Pictures? Because I can double click to enlarge for reading and print if I want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Murphy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calico Pie&#039;s program Family Historian has an &#039;associated person&#039; feature which can link two individuals, and you can record the nature of the relationship.  Like TMG, a free trial is available.  If FTM isn&#039;t meeting your needs, why not try something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calico Pie&#8217;s program Family Historian has an &#8216;associated person&#8217; feature which can link two individuals, and you can record the nature of the relationship.  Like TMG, a free trial is available.  If FTM isn&#8217;t meeting your needs, why not try something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hatchett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49413</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Hatchett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aylarja Re: #18

You should try the 30 free trial download TMG offers. It really is worth the learning curve and once you are accustomed to it the interface isn&#039;t really that bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aylarja Re: #18</p>
<p>You should try the 30 free trial download TMG offers. It really is worth the learning curve and once you are accustomed to it the interface isn&#8217;t really that bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Aylarja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49410</link>
		<dc:creator>Aylarja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol (#14) and PamDj (#17),

Thanks for your suggestions. I have tried in the past to create a &quot;shared&quot; fact for two individuals not known to be related by blood or marriage, but FTM seems to assume that any shared fact means either marriage or some marriage-like relationship. That to me is a deal-breaker for using shared facts for this purpose.

I have resorted to including names in other custom facts, and creating custom facts for the purpose of tracking, say, witnesses on a marriage or death certificate. But, as PamDj noted, this does not create a relationship. It is possibly a little more elegant than a simple text note, although I am not honestly sure that it is actually any more effective.

Others have cited The Master Genealogist as the one application that does currently provide for relationships apart from strict family ones. I have not yet tried it, though I am tempted to. But even though I do not feel too threatened by its learning curve, I am not overly impressed by its user interface. Having powerful features does not excuse poor design or user-interface inconsistencies - and on this point I do credit Family Tree Maker. It is an elegant program that is relatively easy to use and understand.

I agree with Carol A. H. that adding a non-family-relationship feature to FTM is likely not on Ancestry&#039;s list to-dos. If true, this disappoints me because I think the usefulness of such a feature would be obvious. FTM has added new features in the past (although I find the updates from version to version are usually tweaks to the user experience rather than actual new features). My hope is that this idea will reach the attention of someone who might be willing to explore it further. But until then, I guess I’ll be a voice in the wilderness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol (#14) and PamDj (#17),</p>
<p>Thanks for your suggestions. I have tried in the past to create a &#8220;shared&#8221; fact for two individuals not known to be related by blood or marriage, but FTM seems to assume that any shared fact means either marriage or some marriage-like relationship. That to me is a deal-breaker for using shared facts for this purpose.</p>
<p>I have resorted to including names in other custom facts, and creating custom facts for the purpose of tracking, say, witnesses on a marriage or death certificate. But, as PamDj noted, this does not create a relationship. It is possibly a little more elegant than a simple text note, although I am not honestly sure that it is actually any more effective.</p>
<p>Others have cited The Master Genealogist as the one application that does currently provide for relationships apart from strict family ones. I have not yet tried it, though I am tempted to. But even though I do not feel too threatened by its learning curve, I am not overly impressed by its user interface. Having powerful features does not excuse poor design or user-interface inconsistencies &#8211; and on this point I do credit Family Tree Maker. It is an elegant program that is relatively easy to use and understand.</p>
<p>I agree with Carol A. H. that adding a non-family-relationship feature to FTM is likely not on Ancestry&#8217;s list to-dos. If true, this disappoints me because I think the usefulness of such a feature would be obvious. FTM has added new features in the past (although I find the updates from version to version are usually tweaks to the user experience rather than actual new features). My hope is that this idea will reach the attention of someone who might be willing to explore it further. But until then, I guess I’ll be a voice in the wilderness!</p>
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		<title>By: PamDj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2010/08/09/family-tree-maker-unrelated-individuals/#comment-49406</link>
		<dc:creator>PamDj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aylarja #6
I&#039;m with Carol #14 on this. Have you considered adding the unrelated person in FTM, then adding a custom fact against them and the person with whom you want to record the relationship, in order to cross-referece them?
It&#039;s not creating any relationship but seems to be a way of keeping track.
It&#039;s a shame that when you set up a custom fact which has the attribute &#039;shared&#039;, you don&#039;t get a choice of individual to share it with - FTM seems to assume that facts can only be shared with a spouse and none other, so it means twice the work to set them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aylarja #6<br />
I&#8217;m with Carol #14 on this. Have you considered adding the unrelated person in FTM, then adding a custom fact against them and the person with whom you want to record the relationship, in order to cross-referece them?<br />
It&#8217;s not creating any relationship but seems to be a way of keeping track.<br />
It&#8217;s a shame that when you set up a custom fact which has the attribute &#8216;shared&#8217;, you don&#8217;t get a choice of individual to share it with &#8211; FTM seems to assume that facts can only be shared with a spouse and none other, so it means twice the work to set them up.</p>
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